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- From: solar@dozy.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (Solar)
- Subject: Re: Why are europeans dumb enough to buy amigas?
- Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator)
- Message-ID: <DnosLq.y4@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:17:49 GMT
- To: Brian Baltzell <brian@sound.net>
- References: <3134A895.193E@sound.net>
- Nntp-Posting-Host: dozy.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de
- Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum
-
- In article <3134A895.193E@sound.net>, you write:
- > amiga's suck. They still can't do SVGA, they can't run netscape, they
- > can't run quake, they can't run nascar. But best of all they're way
- > overpriced. It seems like europeans are the real dummies, they bought
- > the dead body of commodore. Get with the program, get Wintel.
-
- Shutup. Get real. Get off this newsgroup if you don't like it.
-
- Who needs SVGA? I am doing fine with my workbench. I can choose:
- 660x440 pixel, 60 Hz, 256 color (DBLNTSC with Overscan),
- 660x550 pixel, 50 Hz, 256000 color (DBLPAL with Overscan and the HackAGA-
- program from AmiNet that allows for
- HAM8-Workbench),
- 800x600 pixel, 72 Hz, 256000 color (SUPER72 interlaced and HackAGA).
- I do not need any grafic card for this. If I need more gfx power, I add
- one and go for 1600x1280 pixels at true color. duh.
-
- Who needs Netscape? I do not have Internet access or software at home, but
- I am using 486-66 units with Netscape at the University. And boy, I really
- cannot understand the Netscape hype. There are Web Browsers for the Amiga.
-
- I don't know quake or nascar. Do *you* know Worms? By chance I know the so-
- called "minimum resources" needed for this nice piece of gaming for the PC:
- 386-40, 4 MByte RAM, CD-ROM. *ha!* I played just the same game on my friend's
- A500 (MC68000, 7 MHz, 512 KByte RAM, 1 floppy drive, no HD).
-
- Overpriced? I got my A1200 including a very fine monitor, a very comprehensive
- software package and a HD for 1500,- DM. That's about 1000$. Then I added some
- RAM. Let's say 4 MByte, which makes for a total of 6 MByte. This is an aweful
- lot for the target user of the A1200 (entry level means improved typewriter,
- if you face it). 100,- DM for the board, 200,- DM for the SIMM. 1800,- DM or
- 1200$.
-
- Now give me *your* calculation. You'll need at least a 486DX-66 to run Win95,
- the only Windows version that can even *dare* to call itself a competetive OS.
- To run it and its applications *without disk swapping* as comfortably as with
- my 6 MB A1200, you will need at least 12 MByte of RAM, perhaps even 16 MB.
- You need an E-IDE Controller and a harddisk of 630 MByte *MINIMUM*, facing the
- size of Win95 and the 32bit Software coming with it. You need a VGA/SVGA gfx
- card, a soundcard of at least 8bit, 4 channel stereo. You will need a CD-ROM,
- because Win95 applications are hideously big. You need a 14" monitor. You need
- software: Win95, Word for Win95, Excell for Win95, Access for Win95, CorelDraw
- for Win95. An organiser (I cannot think of one for the PC right now, but won't
- be hard) *IN 32bit OR IT WON'T PREEMPIVELY MULTITASK*, a DataStore-equivalent
- (dto) and a PhotoGenics-Equivalent (dto). A pinball game and a jump-and-run
- game. Then you will have to install everything - and get it to work smoothly
- together. Oops, I forgot ScalaMM300. You need a MultiMedia presentation pro-
- gramm, too.
- Now, you have a system that is comparable in performance to the A1200. Go to
- your local store, face them this list and then tell me how much they would
- charge for it *including assembly and installation*.
-
- And you have a system that *creeps* along and that is not really supported
- any more because the market shifts to the Pentium/PCI. Duh.
-
- And, to be honest, I have worked with Win95 on a 486DX4-100 with 16 MByte RAM.
- Jesus, if they call this comparable to a finely tuned AmigaOS, they are really
- nuts.
-
- Just my 0.03 DM (0.02$). ;)
- --
- Martin Baute
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- // A1200 HD EC020 CPU 14 MHz 170/8 MB HD/RAM
- \\ // Viva Amiga!
- \X/ Not MS-compatible - and proud of it
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